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stoneman 7:40 Wed Oct 7
The murdered policeman.

If the site of his children laying flowers where he died doesn't tug at your heart strings then you have no heart.

All of those arrested should be hung.

Darlo Debs 12:07 Fri Oct 9
Re: The murdered policeman.

Fifth why do you agree with Mr P about people killing the police deserving longer sentences?

Trevor B 6:49 Thu Oct 8
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Cony I think if you looked deeper into that mate it's not as simple as the 'headline' on wikipedia may sound.

Russ of the BML 6:42 Thu Oct 8
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Sxboy_66 3:13 Thu Oct 8

"They have to prove that he deliberately chose that route having seen the policeman."

Exactly. How do they do that?

Going to depend on what he little cunt says and his solicitor is not going to advise him to tell the truth even if he admits to his solicitor he deliberately did it.

Feed Me Chicken 3:58 Thu Oct 8
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See the picture of the little cunt grinning in the back of the police van. Bet his folks are well proud!

Joke Royal 3:30 Thu Oct 8
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If I was a copper and a car swerved to avoid a stinger I would get the fuck out of the way

Hi-Viz jackets are not bulletproof

Cony Tottee 3:23 Thu Oct 8
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Not sure if we have something similar over here but in America you can be charged with murder if you kill someone while committing a crime, even if it's an accident.

'when an offender kills (regardless of accidentally or without specific intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated felony, he/she is guilty of murder.'

, 3:15 Thu Oct 8
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The tariffs available for manslaughter mean that the driver, if guilty, can virtually serve the same sentence as life for murder.

Sxboy_66 3:13 Thu Oct 8
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Exactly comma.

They have to prove that he deliberately chose that route having seen the policeman.

Only the offender knows the answer to that.

All he has to say is either he didn't see him, or he lost control of the truck and didn't mean to hit him but was unable to avoid a collision.

That make it manslaughter. Under the CPS's own guidelines 'motor' manslaughter recommends a sentence of 'between 4 and 7 years'. (no, really). The aggravated circumstances, the vehicle being stolen and the offender leaving the scene, would allow for a substantial increase on that but still not a life sentence which would be automatic if he was convicted of murder.

, 3:00 Thu Oct 8
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Sx, the prosecution needs to prove that despite the policeman being in his way the driver deliberately chose that route. It does not need to prove specifically that the driver had murder in mind, it simply needs to prove that the driver deliberately took the risk of seriously injuring or killing the policeman.

Sxboy_66 2:55 Thu Oct 8
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The prosecution would still need to prove that at the moment he steered the truck in the direction of the policeman a) he'd seen him, and b) his intention was to kill him in order to convict him of murder.

If his intention was purely to avoid the stinger, and the running down of the policeman was incidental to that then the conviction will be for manslaughter as he was reckless as to whether or not his actions might cause death.

Murder is very difficult to prove as it relies on proving what someone was thinking at the time, this can usually only be done by way of a confession and not on physical evidence or witness testimony.

JohnnyL 2:24 Thu Oct 8
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Agree with the hanging .... and the Glaswegian lorry driver as well..

Ps. it's 'sight' and 'hanged' but then i am just picky !

Private Dancer 11:34 Thu Oct 8
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Fifth Column 11:12 Thu Oct 8
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IF media reports are accurate i.e. the driver deliberately mowed him down as it was the only way for the car to avoid the Police kit that would have blown his tyres and been caught, then it's murder. He deliberately drove into the copper in order to avoid being nicked''


You are probably right. If you clock someone in a fight and they go down hit their head on the road and die as a subsequence of the fall, then that would be manslaughter as 99 times out of 100 that wouldn't happen, but if you mow someone down at high speed barring a miracle, you pretty much know that you are going to kill them. Hang the monkey. Was heartbreaking seeing those 2 little girls without their Dad.

Fifth Column 11:34 Thu Oct 8
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penners28 11:26 Thu Oct 8
Re: The murdered policeman.
"If he tried to avoid the stinger but hit the copper by doing so can that be classed as murder?"
yes...


It can be murder if he admits he saw the copper there are drove at him anyway.

I suspect he'll say that he didn't see the copper until it was too late. I presume it would be very difficult to prove otherwise.

That being the case he'll get done for manslaughter rather than murder I would have thought.

, 11:32 Thu Oct 8
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Two crimes, deaths resulted and one started his day doing something that he KNEW was putting lives at risk.

penners28 11:29 Thu Oct 8
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so that lorry driver stole the vehicle, and ploughed into a load of people whilst trying to evade arrest?

, 11:26 Thu Oct 8
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On that basis then we should hang the Glaswegian lorry driver too.

penners28 11:26 Thu Oct 8
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"If he tried to avoid the stinger but hit the copper by doing so can that be classed as murder?"

yes...

Russ of the BML 11:20 Thu Oct 8
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Unless the bloke admits he deliberately drove at the copper then it's a grey area.

If he tried to avoid the stinger but hit the copper by doing so can that be classed as murder?

At the end of the day the bloke shouldn't have been doing what he was doing and caused someone's death by doing so. Just hang him from a tree.

Grumpster 11:14 Thu Oct 8
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The media reports are all based on what his partner said, so he appears to be bang to rights.

Fifth Column 11:12 Thu Oct 8
Re: The murdered policeman.

IF media reports are accurate i.e. the driver deliberately mowed him down as it was the only way for the car to avoid the Police kit that would have blown his tyres and been caught, then it's murder. He deliberately drove into the copper in order to avoid being nicked.

Media reports are sometimes BS though especially when the source is the Police (like the De Menezes shooting).

Grumpster 11:01 Thu Oct 8
Re: The murdered policeman.

He purposely drove onto the pavement to mow the poor fucker over, the copper wasn't standing in the road.

Hang him your honour.

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